This Marshall thing is strange sometimes

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Sunday, 19 December 2010 02:01
Written by Colin Dunlap
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For an hour or so (at least, it has been longer lately) every day, I go through the Internet and read everything I can find that involves West Virginia football. To be honest, as a beat writer, I think I owe it to myself to do so.

It aids with my coverage and keeps a pulse on things.

Late Saturday night, I noticed a very interesting piece in the Huntington (W.Va.) Herald-Dispatch. It was a column by Chuck Landon, entitled: 'Surreal WVU tale a classless soap opera'

It wasn't so much what was in this piece that struck me as anything unusual or strange, but it was the following premise: Does it seem odd to anyone else that in the span of time during the whole Marshall-Joe Manchin-West Virginia rivalry renewal talk, that very same column has, often times, been devoted to advocating how important it is for Marshall to play WVU? But now, with Dana Holgorsen's impending arrival and Oliver Luck changing some things, it seems there is a concerted effort to make a 180-degree turn and distance Marshall from West Virginia. This could, also, do with the fact that the Marshall-West Virginia series (with TCU coming into the league) would seem all but dead.

Again, to study the body of work, it just seems strange in its premise that West Virginia is often advocated as something that Marshall really, really wants (and even in a sense "needs") to strengthen its football program, but when there is any hint of strife in Morgantown, it is pounced on. To me, it looks like a classic, "you can't have it both ways" point of view and would sour Mr. Luck to wanting to go out of his way to make a deal happen with Marshall.

 

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BigJohn
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written by BigJohn, December 19, 2010 - 03:29 AM
Sorry, but I don't follow your premise "... it seems there is a concerted effort to make a 180-degree turn and distance Marshall from West Virginia."

I read nothing in that column that advocates Marshall not playing WVU.

From what I read, what Mr Landon wrote was true, albeit tinged with a bit of vitriol. You also write:

"...and would sour Mr. Luck to wanting to go out of his way to make a deal happen with Marshall."

So, let me see if I have your premise correct...

Oliver Luck may be so thinned-skinned that he could do a JoPa with regard to Marshall, based on the written opinion of a columnist from Huntington.

BTW - In case any WVU homey's attack, I have no ax to grind with WVU. Although a Pitt fan, I think WVU outplayed Pitt on the Holgerson thing, and also think WVU would have been the best bet to represent the BE in its' BCS bowl.
BigJohn
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written by BigJohn, December 19, 2010 - 04:22 AM
Oh, and by the way, Pederson at Pitt didn't exactly cover himself in glory and integrity, either. Read Joe Starkey in the Trib - he hits the nail on the head
tke709
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written by tke709, December 19, 2010 - 07:11 AM
Colin,

being a WVU fan, let me re-iterate this. Marshall- WHO CARES.

See the only way to get in the news, is try to bring up something with/about/concerned WVU. See it works. You are writing about them.

Other than this, they are non-existent.
JBonnett
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written by JBonnett, December 19, 2010 - 08:43 AM
Marshall is nothing more than a thorn in the side of WVU. A fabricated rivalry created by the press during Marshall's Bowl Subdivision days and early on when they went D-1. Like Paul Pierce said, "You have to be someone for it to be a rivalry." If Marshall wants to come to Morgontown every year, fine, I'd rather play them than Coastal Carolina or whoever the opening day sacrificial lamb is. The problem with Marshall is they think they deserve more than they have earned.
bill
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written by bill, December 19, 2010 - 10:00 AM
Both state schools both get tax dollars both should play one another if it is competitive. I would like to see Marshall to continue to upgrade it's football. But I think the death nell was this past seasons game. Holiday did nt endear himself to the powers to be at WVU- I wish only the best for both schools and would hope they continue some arrangement in the future. You only have to read Bob Smizik about Beano and Paterno to understand how these things get blown out of proportion. I think Paterno would have beat Beano- I do not know what they mean it would have ended in 30 seconds.
sslt75
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written by sslt75, December 19, 2010 - 10:30 AM
Colin,
You can't be serious. These guys avoided Marshall at every turn.
First, its we can't do a 1 for 1 with a CUSA team- BOOOM 1 for 1 with ECU.
Next they start filling their schedule with OOC games until about 2018.
Then TCU joins BE, which WVU surely knows about while loading up future schedules.

Result- NO room on schedule for Marshall until turn of decade.

Listen Luck has played all of this well, including the coaching change.

They kicked the crap out of us while we were down and have avoided us while we were up.

They know what Doc is capable of and what he can do here. They definitely know what Doc can do to them in recruiting with a W over them.

In my opinion, we feel so disrespected, we don't even want them anymore, even though they ditched us first.

Interesting question though Colin,
What happens to the extra home game WVU earned by beating us, if WVU is found guilty of NCAA infractions during that era and has to forfeit any of those games?
Eer fan
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written by Eer fan , December 19, 2010 - 10:42 AM
I am not one of those fans that hates Marshall and loves wvu. They are both in-state schools and Marshall has a lot of wv high school players on their team. If Marshall isn't playing wvu I usually route for them. My problem with Marshall and Marshall fans is they think they are just as good as wvu and other bcs conference schools. It frustrates me, they aren't. Wvu gets nothing from playing them, it was complete garbage that manchion forced the match-up. The last few years it should have proven to Marshall that they can't play with us. Until this year every game was one sided. Marshall needs to stick to their conference and try to be competitive in it before getting demoralized by teams like wvu and Ohio state. They fell apart after the wvu game. And as stated Marshall will do anything to make them look better and bring coverage to their team because nothing else is going for them.
pittsburgheer
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written by pittsburgheer, December 19, 2010 - 10:57 AM
wow, that article is pretty unbiased huh? smilies/smiley.gif the fact of the matter is...the marshall-wvu game is a no-win situation for wvu. we win - it's expected of us. we lose - the world ends. seriously. on top of that, wvu does not increase the program's national exposure by playing the game - because no one cares about the game other than mainly marshall fans and west virginia is such a small state. the game does not help us recruit west virginia better either - because the pickings are slim already in the state and wvu dominates west virginia recruiting anyways. this series was conceived by west virginia good 'ol boy cronyism (mainly former gov. manchin). i'm so glad luck is our current ad. wvu needs to win a championship eventually and hopefully luck will set us on that path. playing marshall will not help us achieve that goal.
Tommy V
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written by Tommy V, December 19, 2010 - 11:30 AM
Eer fan and pittsburgheer have both hit the nail on the head. First, WVU is supposed to beat Marshall. We win, it's supposed to happen. We lose and we lose any and all credibility. Second, Marshall lost it's best and brightest chance to beat WVU this past season. Doc Holliday knew WVU probably better than WVU knew itself. If Marshall's final record didn't show that it spent the entire summer gearing up for the WVU game, I don't know what other evidence is needed. The point is, Marshall lost and their fans can't deal with it.

So, what was WVU gain from playing Marshall? Nothing. No national exposure. Does anyone in say Florida or Texas care about this game? Or, would they rather see WVU playing LSU, or Auburn or Michigan State?

As for the writer, Chuck Landon, I lived in St. Albans, WV for a time back in the 80s. He's a Marshall grad and bleeds green and white. He takes any cheap shot he can at WVU and conveniently forgets the transgressions made at Marshall. If Mr. Landon can get over himself long enough to see that Marshall has done absolutely nothing at the Bowl Subdivision level. He's green with envy and just taking pot shots. Please Colin, give him no more credence in this newspaper. He's not worth your energy.
pt225
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written by pt225, December 19, 2010 - 11:46 AM
Agree with Pittsburgheer. Marshall is a no win game for WVU. Comparing it to Pitt vrs. Penn State is not accurate. FORCING Pitt or Penn State to play Temple would be. Upon the arrival of TCU, WVU should gid rid of Marshall and play a contender from either the SEC, Big Ten, or ACC. Virginia Tech comes to mind. If Luck is serious about competing for a championship, then to be the best you should play the best. Even had WVU finished 12-0, including a win at LSU, they would not be in the championship game ahead of Auburn or Oregon.
MadMike1951
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written by MadMike1951, December 19, 2010 - 12:03 PM
Mr. Dunlap, you accuse other sportswriters of having agenda yet you seem to be awfully protective of Oliver Luck in all of this. Do you have an inside track to Luck and want to protect your relationship with him? By the way why does your bio here not divulge where you got your degree (assuming you have one)?
Did you go to WVU? If so that explains a lot!
Eer fan
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written by Eer fan , December 19, 2010 - 12:14 PM
Madmike do you have nothing better to do than get on a West Virginia blog and start stuff? Get a life... I know Pitt football isn't much this year, but you still should have something else besides wvu to keep you entertained. Your so obsessed with this blog, maybe you should switch teams.
MadMike1951
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written by MadMike1951, December 19, 2010 - 12:31 PM
Eer fan,

I am a WVU grad but don't care about WVU or Pitt's football team.

I have made 2 posts in 5 days I believe, now who needs to get a life?

I would like Mr. Dunlap to disclose his alma mater however, what's he hiding? After I learn that I will quietly leave this board.
Eer fan
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written by Eer fan , December 19, 2010 - 12:45 PM
This is a wvu blog, I love wvu football, therefore I ACTUALLY have a reason to get on here and read the stories and make posts. You have none except to run your mouth.
jimi21
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written by johnny oz, December 19, 2010 - 02:12 PM
Excuse me, but didn't Marshall renege on an earlier contract to play (after WVU beat the Herd's greatest team ever with Pennington and Moss)? WVU should've never agreed to another series after that. Get over it, Chuckie. You need WVU more than WVU needs the likes of you.
jimi21
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written by johnny oz, December 19, 2010 - 03:22 PM
And can't we all just get along?? Stew is going to lose his head coaching, alas, but still get paid more than all of us combined. Pretty good gig, I'd say.
gem
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written by gem, December 19, 2010 - 03:44 PM
I root for both schools. I think many WVU fans think WVU is better than they are. And surely many MU fans react the same way. MU may not offer much to WVU but the Friends of Coal deal gives them some sponsorship money they can't get elsewhere. MU has never proven capable of beating WVU either. So from that prespective why not play them if I'm Luck. It's more money than you can get elsewhere and it's a sure win, right? But Luck and WVU fans know MU isn't uncapable of winning this game as they proved this year. MU won 5 games all year, and were on the verge of blowing WVU out. WVU on the other hand, won(tied) the BE. What happens when WVU goes back to being a 7-5 team and MU is plang better? And anyone who says WVU should drop MU for LSU is insane. If MU goes away WVU signs coastal carolina not someone that will almost alway beat WVU, let's be honest. I like WVU and Mu. Hope WVU wins their bowl big. Just don't act so high and mighty on this topic. I remember plenty of Nehlen teams that went 6-5 or worse. We'll see what happens with the new coach but Stew did way better than Nehlen and most WVU supporters(including Colin) give Nehlen his due. Acting like winning a national title is the benchmark of success is asking a lot from a school that's never won 1, don't ya think?


MontEer
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written by MontEer, December 19, 2010 - 05:36 PM
I think the MU game is useless and should be done away with. Pitt and Penn St. fans do not root for each other even though they are in the same state so why do people in WV feel the need to have to root for both and say how graet the game is for the state. Last time I checked my bank account did not grow because of the Friends of Coal Bowl. Landon is a MU homer. I don't get why so many WVU articles are in a Huntington newspaper. I live in Fairmont and read both the Dominion Post and Times West Virginian and NEVER find articles about MU except the week of the game. End the stupid thing!


@Mad Mike 1951...I assume you are a Birther as well and want to see Obama,s birth certificate.

Colin I dont care where you graduated from keep it up. You, Cassaza, and Hertzel have the best coverage.
pittsburgheer
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written by pittsburgheer, December 19, 2010 - 05:53 PM
shouldn't winning a national championship be the goal of EVERY program? no one is saying wvu HAS to win one every year, but if you don't have that as your goal...why play football? this administration seems to get that point.

as a side note, i'll also be glad to get rid of the whole "friends of coal" junk. west virginia needs a diverse economy...king coal will eventually run out and then what? sustainability is not in west virginia's vocabulary at the moment and that is a shame for such a beautiful place. well, hopefully there will still be some beauty left after mountaintop removal is finished wrecking the place. wvu should be leading the charge toward a brighter future, not shacking up with coal companies.
louie
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written by louie, December 19, 2010 - 06:48 PM
Attn: johnny Oz. No Marshall did not renege on a contract. The contract was for ONE game only. Look it up in the Charleston Gazette.
KeyserCouchburner
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written by KeyserCouchburner, December 19, 2010 - 07:55 PM
Stewart couldn't trust Luck?! Show me anywhere that Luck was 'dis' ingenuous with Stewart. He laid it on the line a month ago and didn't back down after finishing the season strong. To his credit. Add me to the long list of 'Stew is a great guy, a true blue (and old gold) Mountaineer' supporters who recognize that going 9-3 in a schedule where you are favored to win 10 games is not all that great of an accomplishment. Luck deserves much credit for going all in on this move. I look forward to next season and the future with great anticipation. We have maxed out under the current regime and the future represents a swing for the fences. It may be a success or not, but I like the chances. I have no problem with playing Marhsall, as long as they take the place of the Coastal Carolinas, Norfolk States, Bowling Greens, Eastern Washingtons, Woffords, etc.
chris2000
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written by chris2000, December 19, 2010 - 08:10 PM
WVU fans blow my mind! Their self perception is mind boggling. Oliver Luck throws a classy Bill Stewart out for dead saying we can't win a national championship under him. Oliver, hello, you have never won a national championship. Fact is Stewart's first 3 years were better than Bowden, Nehlen's and Rodriguez's first 3 years! Don Nehlen spent 20 years in Morganhole going 7-4. RichRod has 3 great years and WVU fans think they are Texas or Alabama. Fact is WVU football has never been better. Marshall football hasn't been this bad in 20 years. The 1997 win was Marshall's first ever game in D1A. How come WVU can go to Greenville for a home and home with ECU but can't go to Huntington? I think WVU got lucky that they procastinated till Manchin got the deal done. WVU's program is much better than Marshall's now, but there was a 5-7 year stretch in the late 90's and early 2000's where I dont think that was the case.
Rob W.
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written by Rob W., December 19, 2010 - 09:30 PM
Well, Colin. Did you get your answer? Just take a look at these comments. I have to admit that I am surprised, I didn't expect so many Marshall fans to seek out a WVU-topic blog from a Pittsburgh media outlet. I guess the answer that I would give is that Chuck Landon is one of them. He's not a journalist, so take him for what he is. I guess you could say that he is an entertainer. I don't pretend to know all of the supposedly required professional ethics, integrity, best practices, nor common practices of a professional journalist, but I would be willing to bet that Chuck Landon fails to adhere to them in the course of his work....
KMS
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written by KMS, December 20, 2010 - 10:06 AM
Many Marshall fans are hilarious and delusional (see Landon, Chuck). There is a big difference in 1-1 with ECU for 2 years versus a 1-1 with Marshall over a 10+ year span. Although we will likely make it through this series unscathed, statisics are not on your side when you continue this series year in and year out. Even little brother will beat you once in awhile if you continue to let him play. Like the other posters have said, this game does absolutely nothing for WVU and everything for Marshall. It is not WVU's responsibility to take care of you. I have no problem playing Marshall (even in 1-1) every once in awhile, but not on an annual basis. For those of you saying that WVU shouldn't be contending for a National Championship because we haven't won one, we've been in position 3 times in recent history. Of course, that should be our goal.
gem
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written by gem, December 20, 2010 - 12:54 PM
"I do see vealue in playing Marshall." by Oliver Luck

There's sponsorship money on the table and WVU needs the cash just like every other college Athletic Dept. Remember, Luck's job is to make money for the school and I'm sure he's a smart guy. Saying Marshall does nothing for WVU is just not true. Also, WVU and ECU are home and home for the next 6 years.
WVU44
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written by WVU44, December 20, 2010 - 01:57 PM
No one cares about playing Marshall end of story.
WVUgirl2003
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written by WVUgirl2003, December 22, 2010 - 11:49 PM
PittsburghEer- that is the best comment I've seen on a discussion about the "Friends of Coal Bowl" ever!!
I too am a "Friend of the Mountains"....
Love the hard work coal miners put in and for the energy coal has and is providing but it is time to WAKE UP WV'ians and realize the coal WILL run out.... and what then? Prepare NOW or be run over later.

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