Big East Media Day

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Tuesday, 02 August 2011 17:37
Written by Paul Zeise
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So many issues to get to, I have no idea where to start.

I think right now I'll try and simplify all of this TV deal/expansion mess as much as possible then come back later with the actual football stuff -- although I would be remiss if I didn't at last write that it would not be an official Big East media day if a West Virginia player didn't pop off and say something ridiculous (remember the Pat White "our baseball coach is racist" classic) and this year defensive end Bruce Irvin provided the fodder when he tweeted "I hope a sPitt player dnt try to shake my hand. I will laugh and walk off" and then proceeded to say he doesn't speak to Pitt players because he hates them.....

OK, back to the real topic at hand - money and new teams.

I had a long talk with Steve Pederson today about what it is exactly that he and Oliver Luck and the rest of the athletic directors from football-playing schools really want and he made it simple -- they want a league where every single year they don't have to worry about losing members to other leagues and that means they need long-term stability.

It is clear football is driving this bus and it is also clear that any and all resistance to any plans for expansion is from the basketball-only members as they have watched their league grow to 17 teams.

But Pederson isn't interested in adding just anyone, nor is the rest of the conference, which is where this could get very interesting because behind closed doors, there are less discussions about the Central Florida, Memphis, Southern Miss, Marshall, Army, Navy-type teams (you know, the ones which are always thrown out there) and more about the teams which may be ripe to be plucked from their current conferences for whatever reason.

The dream scenario would be the current league, plus TCU and BC and Maryland and if three schools of that quality were added, then a 12th school could be a Villanova or Central Florida and the conference would clearly be better. However, adding Villanova or Central Florida as the 10th school or adding both as the 10th and 11th schools would not add a thing to the conference and thus is not attractive to anyone at this point.

Central Florida, in fact, seems to be the only of those Conference USA/MAC/Less than BCS-League type schools that has any reasonable amount of support from the current membership and even then, there seems to be a wide variety of opinions on exactly what they'd bring. (Pederson said he would like another presence in Florida, but would not comment specifically about UCF so you do the math). Nobody seems to want Memphis or any of those other schools, though there are some discussions still about Navy.

The other group of schools the Big East is keeping an eye on is the trio of Big 12 schools - Missouri, Kansas and Kansas State - which could be left out in the cold if the conference falls apart, which, given recent unrest about the Texas Longhorn Network and the unfair advantage it provides for Texas in both money and recruiting, that isn't a pipe dream.

Again, all of these scenarios are being discussed and frankly, it doesn't seem like anyone wants to move forward with expansion if there aren't at least one, if not two, teams involved who are clearly going to be an upgrade and the "usual suspects" list just isn't cutting it.

That brings the question - what exactly could the Big East offer Maryland and Boston College that they don't already have in the ACC?

Well, money, and that's where the high stakes poker game with television networks that the Big East - at the prodding of Pederson and company - comes into play. The conference hopes it can parlay NBC/Comcast's new found interest in college sports programming into a bidding war with ESPN to drive the price up to a level much higher than what the ACC's current (and long-term) deal gives each team.

The Cliff Notes version of the background on this is that ESPN came to the Big East an offered a 7-year deal for football and basketball worth about $11 million per school.

The basketball schools said let's jump at it, Big East commissioner John Marinatto was on board, and Pederson and the football schools stepped in and said "we can do better."

There was division, there was some arguing, there was some splintering UNTIL Comcast/NBC got into the game and began driving prices up to the point where the Pac-12 got $3 billion over 12 years.

That's when everybody in the conference got on board and said, "let's wait this thing out" - and now the Big East is the last of the major conferences without a new deal which means it has some leverage on NBC/Comcast since the network is desperate to get into the college sports business.

Like one official said to me "imagine being a free agent third baseman and finding out that ARod just got hurt and the Yankees are in the market for a third baseman. That's where we are - Comcast is like the Yankees, they are driving the price of doing business up for everyone, including us."

In other words, conference officials hope they can create a bidding war and get a far more lucrative package from ESPN than the original offer from a few months ago (the hope is the deal reaches the $16 million per team per year range, which is about $3 million more per team than the ACC deal).

Again, there are so many moving parts to this that it is going to be really fun to watch unfold - but anybody who tells you they know how it is going to end is lying because there are so many different opinions on so many issues that the league itself doesn't know how it will end.

And at the end of it, there are a number of different ways it could be resolved and here is a brief overview of what they are with, based on many conversations I've had over the past two days, how realistic they are...

1.) The conference remains the same (17 total members, nine football members) and signs with ESPN for a good, long-term (though not 12-year) deal. There is a lot to be said for this and right now, with very few obvious and legitimate teams to add to the conference, it looks like a possibility. Everyone has told me, however, that something has to happen and something has to change and the hope is that the football conference can be strengthened.

2.) The conference expands to 12-football members, 20-basketball members. Again, we can argue about which schools all day long but it seems like, other than Central Florida, there is very little support for any non-BCS conference schools at this point. But the larger point is the 20-team basketball league, which Steve Pederson told me he and the football schools could live with because they already have 17.

However, a league source told me the 20-team basketball league would likely fall apart in a few years because the basketball-only schools don't want to be in a conference that is so large - that some have grumbled about how tough it is to get to the top of a 16-team league. So the Big East would likely then become two seperate leagues. That's why this version is viewed as a temporary fix at best and that is not what anyone wants. They want to fix the problem once and for all and be in good shape for the long haul.

3.) The conference subtracts a few of the weakest basketball schools - or those who add very little - and adds three football schools to become a 12-team football league and a 16-team basketball league. I'm told that John Marinatto under no circumstances wants to see any teams subtracted from the league and the basketball schools are in it together - so if one goes, they all go. And frankly, it would make much more sense to just split up and have a 12-team all sports league and an eight or ten-team basketball league than it would to cut one or two or even four or five teams.

4.) The two separate groups go their separate ways right now and the football-schools add three schools to become a 12-team football and all sports league. This option seems to be way down the list and the reason is many of the football schools - Syracuse, Connecticut - still would like to try and make the basketball-hybrid work.

These are the issues that are being discussed behind closed doors and these are the issues which currently are keeping league officials, presidents and athletic directors up at night. Something is going to happen, but at this point, nobody - including those on the inside - knows exactly what it will all look like when the dust settles.

So here are my questions to all of you Pitt fans -- what is the best case scenario in your mind?

Also, what could you live with in terms of a resolution even if it isn't your best case scenario?

And finally, what, in your mind, is not an acceptable end to all of this?

 

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faast3
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written by faast3, August 02, 2011 - 08:30 PM
I have always hoped for a 12 / 20 league. I think this is the only option that will demand big TV bucks and lure a BC/Maryland or KSU/Kansas. Everyone is onboard for 16 team football super conferences but a 20 team bball league is always talked about as if it would instantly fail. Split football into two 6 teams and basketball into two 10 teams. For bball your rivals are built in the 10 team division...play a couple games a year with the other division (9 teams twice; plus 4 teams from the other divsion once a year). Whats so complicated? A conference like that can demand money, lure BCS schools and most importantly become stable.
originalether
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written by originalether, August 02, 2011 - 08:47 PM
Dream scenario: Penn State and Notre Dame join. But that's not happening.

Best case: Some variant of Boston College, Maryland, Missouri, Kansas, and Kansas State join.

Unacceptable: Villanova is the 10th football team.

Almost unacceptable: The Big East adds 3 CUSA teams just to get to 12 schools.

I'm sure I'm forgetting about other scenarios, but I can live with just about anything else.

Question: While some of these scenarios may protect from ACC expansion, how does it stop the Big 10+2 if they want to go beyond the 12 team concept? I can see a new contract doing better than the ACC's. I can't see it doing better than the Big 10+2.
originalether
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written by originalether, August 02, 2011 - 08:48 PM
Sorry, Paul, but I have to add this to the unacceptable list: Bringing back Temple.

Adding UMass doesn't work for me, either.
PantherMan
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written by PantherMan, August 02, 2011 - 10:14 PM
Any scenario where the basketball schools are gone.
csf
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written by csf, August 03, 2011 - 07:33 AM
we could discuss and argue the pros and cons of each scenario ad infinitum .... but when the dust all settles, the BE will announce that Nebraska has been added.
bvstots
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written by bvstots, August 03, 2011 - 09:14 AM
Best, but unlikely scenario, is the 16 where BE ads Maryland, BC & Central FLA. as well as Missouri, Kansas and K-State. They could officially dump the b-ball only schools and still have the best top2bottom b-ball league. The football league would offer a reasonable 8-team subdivision split and bring good TV markets to certainly drive the price beyond the current ACC & Big12 packages. Obviously, several things would have to fall in place; starting with eliminating the b-ball school influence which continues to hold up the train.
ironduke
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written by ironduke, August 03, 2011 - 09:55 AM
Gotta get to 12 in football and not with CUSA teams. My preference is a 12-team all sports conference. BC should be in the Big East, period. If they can lure Maryland w/ them, awesome. Then 'Nova as the 12th football team could be acceptable. That would preserve all the major hoops rivalries except G'town. Curious how much influence Notre Dame has in this decision...
ffejbboc
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written by ffejbboc, August 03, 2011 - 01:53 PM
Witn NBC involved, this scenario would seem to scream Notre Dame, as opposed to BC or Md.
mark
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written by mark, August 03, 2011 - 02:19 PM
Quote from WVU DE Bruce Irvin:

"I hope a sPitt player dnt Try to shake my hand. I will laugh and walk off."

Sounds like the Backyard Brawl is alive and well.

After reading the PG article about Pitt/WVU, I can’t imagine that there is a much more intense rivalry in college football than this one. I’ll admit that there are certainly bigger games that attract more media attention, but not between the players themselves. It's obvious that these guys really hate each other. And with the addition of the Graham/Holgerson sideshow, it can only get nastier.

Fans should realize that this is Pitt’s true rival and it’s got to be one of the most genuine rivalries in all of collage football.
Leaseman13
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written by Leaseman13, August 03, 2011 - 02:37 PM
Make a clean break with the basketball schools...the conference will still be one of the best in basketball...add a 10th team now (of those mentioned, I would add Navy) or just keep your powder dry until the Big 12 dissolves which is only a matter of time given all of the enmity of the rest of that conference towards Texas...
Imma Man! Im 40!
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written by Imma Man! Im 40!, August 03, 2011 - 02:47 PM

Coupla Years ago, your colleague Bob Smizik wrote his best article, ever, on the need for the BEast to divorce ASAP: hoops-only teams vs. teams with both hoops & CFB. And it's a better idea now than it even was then.

The only team I'd really miss is G'town. But we could still play them in the non-league portion. Providence? Seton Hall? DePaul?? Please...

But outta sheer loyalty for past service, we gotta give 'Nova a chance to move up. Consider that they'd be no worse than UConn was when the Huskies jumped. After several years of BCS $$, they might be better than UConn. And we need a Philly team for the league's presumed new network to charge that city's residents for the rights to watch BEast programming (just like the B10 Network does), whether folks watch or not is immaterial).

Your article mentioned UCF as a second toe into Florida (which is a good idea). But it didn't mention Houston as a possible second toe into Texas, which is just as much of a good idea, if not better (and gets the league network's footprint into a REALLY big city).
jlawrence
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written by jlawrence, August 03, 2011 - 03:58 PM

Paul - great post. Kudos!

MOST LIKELY SCENARIO - before the past two days, I would have said - get UCF and ECU, accept our fate as a second tier conference and move on.

But based on your thoughts on TV package leverage, I'll admit to getting a bit fired up. Perhaps a prodigal BC might be enticed to come back. The reduction in travel costs, more natural rivalries, the Catholic schools, ND in the mix...I guess if a good TV deal an be done, why not? There are a lot of reasons why it would make sense if the money is right. As much as I'd love to see MD come, I don't see that happening with their longstanding ACC membership. So, I'd go with Navy for the regional fit, the class of the school, the brand of football they play. Not to mention how much fun it is - no, its an honor - to attend a game in Annapolis.

I have to say its encouraging to read about the approach to the TV package...looks like smarter/cooler heads are prevailing...and whaddya know? Pederson is one of them. Good to see. Further, that the appetite for expansion is limited to teams that will add to conference prestige makes me happy. Glad to see it...as a Pitt and BE fan, I'm tired of feeling like a victim.

Now if we can just get some good out-of-conference wins this fall...





longsufferingpittfan
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written by longsufferingpittfan, August 03, 2011 - 04:01 PM
Given the options presented, I would take KU, KSU and Mizzu in a heartbeat. Now THAT gives you a long term, viable conference.
jlawrence
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written by jlawrence, August 03, 2011 - 04:04 PM
Brain fart....I'm assuming in all this that somehow Villanova moves up and the stadium issue somehow gets resolved to everyone's satisfaction. Otherwise, gotta grab another team.
Joe D
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written by Joe D, August 03, 2011 - 05:59 PM
My opinion...
I would love to see Pitt go to the ACC..
great for football... awesome for basketball.

Perhaps that is the reason Pederson is waiting it out... not a better package for espn/comcast... but an offer from the ACC.
michaelangelo404
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written by a guest, August 03, 2011 - 06:55 PM
Superconference! Go big or go home! Innovate or die! Corner the Market! Lead, follow or get out of the way! C'mon Marinetto grow a set of balls and leverage the huge amounts of cash you're going to rake in from the likes of ESPN or NBC. Change the name while you're at it.

16 Football and Basketball teams. East and West Divisions.

East:
1. Pitt
2. USF
3. Syracuse
4. Villanova
5. UConn
6. Rutgers
7. BC
8. Maryland

West:
1. Lousiville
2. Cincinatti
3. Houston
4. TCU
5. Kansas
6. Kansas State
7. Missouri
8. West Virginia (but they play Pitt every year)

(Face it, Notre Dame will never commit)

Alternating champtionship games in New York and big D! We'll own the entire country!!!

have a dave hart
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written by have a dave hart, August 03, 2011 - 07:18 PM
@ "a guest" = sounds good to me too = it is what it is.....innovate + create = not being late to the gate + the gates of prosperity ( get Dunkin D to B a large sponser = coffee + pastry = early Sat am on BIG EAST N-work !
Sincerely
Carl DePasqua % Dave in SD
have a dave hart
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written by have a dave hart, August 03, 2011 - 07:23 PM
@ JOE D = your thought is a good one too = much easier....I used to think "BIG 10"....but ACC would be cool too....and all it would take would be a ph call err text err e mail....Pitt could still and should play WVU + PSU.....am I err are we Joe D dreamin :-)Ricketts back where he belongs !
Sincerely
Bimbo Cecconi % dave in SD
PittfanJake
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written by PittfanJake, August 04, 2011 - 07:28 PM
The best thing for Pitt would be to pair with WVU and join the ACC.

Make it happen.
Nessen
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written by Nessen, August 04, 2011 - 08:48 PM
*t'd be great if most of these schools would just go back to being independents but those days are long gone. Pitt's last year being an independent was 1990 and the schedule was:

Ohio U, Boston College, Oklahoma, Syracuse, WVU, Rutgers, Louisville, Notre Dame, Miami FL, Temple, and Penn State.

Penn State's last year as an independent:

Cincinnati, Temple, Eastern Michigan, Maryland, Rutgers, Miami FL, Boston College, WVU, BYU, Notre Dame, and Pitt.

West Virginia's last year as an independent:

Kent, Maryland, Louisville, Pitt, Virginia Tech, Cincinnati, Boston College, Penn State, Rutgers, Syracuse, and South Carolina.
PittfanJake
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written by PittfanJake, August 04, 2011 - 09:20 PM
oeD says: My opinion...
I would love to see Pitt go to the ACC..
great for football... awesome for basketball.

Perhaps that is the reason Pederson is waiting it out... not a better package for espn/comcast... but an offer from the ACC"

Let's hope so. Pitt vs. UVA, VT, UNC, Maryland, NCSU, Miami, FSU, Clemson, and GT, even Pitt vs. BC - all are more exciting that Pitt vs. anybody in the BE except WVU.

Get WVU into the ACC as well, and keep ND as a regular non-conference game, and that is ideal for Pitt.

Let's hope Pederson and Luck are working on ti right now.

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