I already switched to watch the Army HS all american game... rather watch voytik than sunseri..

What was that Palin quote...
if you put lipstick on a pig... it's still a pig.

no matter what Dodge tried to do... sunseri still sucks! some things never change.
Let's hope Sunseri graduates and moves on with life.

With 40 seconds left in the 1st Qtr SMU 21, Pitt 0

Tino: 1 for 3 for 2 yards, 2 sacks, 1 fumble, minus 11 yards.

Better game on ESPN 2, Sam Houston State vs North Dakota State.

I hope that Chryst is watching Tino' play. If he has any football sense, he will tell Tino goodby. I can't watch any more Tino Sunseri lousy QB play.

I would wager a lot of money that either Sam Houston State or North Dakota State could beat Pitt with Tino at QB!!!

Tino
I know you cannot see this but this is not helping your cause for next year. You cannot possibly be the guy for next year.

Defense - can you please try to tackle somebody instead of overrunning on every tackle? Please back up all your talk from this week. You look like a bunch of sissies. You are playing SMU, not LSU.
(Sigh!)
Going out for a walk. I think I may have reached my sanity's edge.

I hope Chryst makes a call to Patterson and instructs him to insert Meyer for the 2nd half...

why not... what do we have to lose...
use this as an evaluation game.

I am sick to death of all of the negativity on this freaking message board! Support your team or STFU! These kids have been through enough crap with all of Steve Pendersons bungling! If you want to raise hell, send your messages to the AD! Support THIS Pitt team AND our current QB or STFU!

sorry... not going to support loser QB!!!

Everyone is entitled to an opinion... welcome to America..

If you want to be a cheerleader just grab a couple of PomPoms.

This "message board" is about keeping it real.

Speaking of real, SMU is REAL dirty... and the referees are neven dirtier.

Put in Meyers. Put in Anderson. What the heck let Jones run the offense.

Just win this stinkin game!

I can go with constructive criticism, but "Sunseri Sucks" anit it. Most of the people who complain on this sight are the first to jump on the wagon when Pitt enjoys some success. "Keeping it real" includes acknowledging the facts that Sunseri who albeit has turned in subpar performances, has had 3 O-coodinators in 3 years and a head coach in the fraud that is Todd Graham who roasted him publicly on a weekly basis. I say AGAIN, if your angry, post messages to the University President stating "Steve Penderson Sucks" and that will have more of a positive impact on Pitt's football success than all of the negative B.S. thrown at Sunseri. After what THIS team has had to endure between the backwards firing of Wannstead, the hiring and firing of Haywood, and the run and hide policy of Todd Graham deserves our 100% if only for this one day!

At the risk at sounding a bit "negative"... unless I'm missing something Chad Voytik looks like anything but an All-Ammerican quarterback.

Said it before and will say it again... Trey "the Midget" Anderson has more of a chance at being Pitt's quarterback of the future than Voytik.

Bob Smizik are you listening?

@PittCGS1989

Tino is 14/22 for 125 yards, 1 fumble, 1 interception and Pitt has scored 3 points!

You can bitc# all you want about Steve Pederson, but the reality of today is that Tino sucks.

How's that for constructive criticism?

Wait a minute... I take that back.

It's not Voytik. It's his receivers.

@PittofDreams

I watched a little bit of the Army allstar game. I didn't see anything from Voytik that made me wish it was September, 2012. He was tackled by a 325 pound lineman, in the open field.

All we can do is hope that Chryst can work magic, or that he can entice another QB.

@pghsportsfan Do what you do best. Call Sunseri everything but a child of God if you wish, but Sunseri's interception was a catchable ball that hit both of receivers hands in what would have been a touchdown. The receiver failed to pull the ball in and his failure led to an interception. I see his name nowhere in your post or on this message board. Having played and coached the game for years I can tell you that no game comes down to any one player. The high profile and spotlight that comes with the QB position earns them unwaranted criticism and praise from those who know no better. 14/22 for the half has won many games at the high school, college and professional level. You keep on complaining. See where it gets you. I'll keep on supporting my team through tough times. It will make me appreciate the good times that are to come much better.

This is going to make Joe D cringe... but Tino is a better quarterback than Chad Voytik.

By the way PittCGS1989... give it up.

Sometimes catchable is not good enough... for example when you're third and goal inside the five.

Perfect is better and it's done all the time.

@PittCGS1989

The pass from Tino to Bennett, on the goal line was behind Bennett. He tried to slow down and reach back about 4 feet, but was unable to control the ball. I doubt that many NFL receivers could have caught that pass. I have followed Pitt since 1963 and I don't think that I have ever seen a Pitt QB as bad as Sunseri. There, I mentioned the RB who didn't catch Tino's errant pass, OK??

great Pitt God in the sky... how about an interception for a TD?

Is that asking too much?

@Pittof Dreams

Why are we watching and feeling depressed. It's kind of like looking at a car wreck. You know that you shouldn't do it, but you can't help yourself!

I can't wait to never see his offense again at Pitt. Yes, Tino looks terrible, but thats only part of it. This offense is East West or backwards all the time.

It will be a pleasure to see a downhill running attack.

@pittofdreams "Perfect is better and its done all the time" You have said all you need to for the day. "Perfect" is Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees, and Tom Brady most of the time. Certainly not ALL of the time especialy on the collegiatle level. If that is your understanding of the position of QB then you are right, I need to 'give it up' in regards to entertaining a discussion with you about football.

@pghsportsfan Bennet got TWO hands on the ball. If you doubt many NFL receivers could have caught it then you havent watched many NFL games. NFL and Collegiate reeivers make cathes of an equal or higher degree of difficulty with regularity. Without a running game or exceptional O-line and Wideout support, it would be difficult for any QB to move the ball on an average defense. Currently Pitt lacks all 3 mentioned above. I assume you will balme Sunseri for that also.

The turnovers - as always - are killers. But those arent on Tino today. And his throws down the middle are OK. But his throws in the flat - both sides - are just awful and always have been. He requires too much time to make his reads, something that just doesn't cut it at the D1 FBS level. Hard to imagine a coaching change can help there. His best chance to have success is at a lower level of play.

Voytik looked a bit diminuitive behind center. I hope he can see over the line next fall.

Appreciate the advice pghsportsfan.

But the advid Graham supporters now dwindling in numbers should take note.

What separates Pitt Men from State College or Morgantown is that we're not cheerleaders. We're about keeping it real... and we love the game of football.

Boys boys...
Agree that the negativity does nothing to change things to the positive. All it does is release some massive frustration endured by Pitt Football Nation since 1983.
Can we at least agree on a few things:
1. The Pitt football team needs rebuilt from the inside out meaning we need way better o-line and d-line to be competitive at this level. We have niether of these things.
2. Unless we get the second coming of Dan Marino, we need a running game and Heinz Field is built for a team with a running game.
3. Pray that Chryst is a guy that can do 1 and 2 above in less than 2 years.
Voytik (sp.) nor Andersen nor Myers can play in this offensive system with a crap o-line (I can say crap, can't I?) with zero running game and a very bad D-line.
Lets swallow hard, close the book on this train wreck and give Pitt football a rest for a couple of months (I will).
Can anyone name 20 D-1 teams worse than Pitt? But we love em'!
Hail to Pitt!

Here's something positive.

Boy that Voytik is a good short-yardage runner!

Another positive.

Chryst came to get down... and he will.

why am I watching a different game than everyone else? I am seeing game where SMU is clearly dominating both sides of the line of scrimmage ... and the evidence of that is when they got close to goal, they easily ran the ball in for TDs while Pitt couldn't even get close.

csf... What does that stand for?

PittCGS,
You're right, people should support their team. But there comes a time when they are tired of getting kicked in the teeth. There are a lot of frustrated people out there. Can you blame them?

Haven't heard lately that the quarterback just needs to manage the game going forward in 2012. Step under center and hand the ball off.

This Compass Bowl reeks of Todd Graham. Guess we shouldn't be surprised at the Tino performance.

Spring practice can't get here fast enough.

Mark Myers huh? I'm convinced that Tom Brady couldn't do wellwith this piec of crap offense. It should be clear that this entire offense is out of sorts and not made to play this style.

Continuous blown assignments by the OL .. and receivers rarely getting open. But I guess it is much easier just to blame everything solely on the QB

I know that I am pointing out the obvious, but I don't think that Paul Bear Bryant, in his prime, could turn Pitt around in a year or two. The skill, speed, size, and athletic ability of Pitt FB players is below average.

We are going to have to give Chryst until 2014 to turn the Pitt FB program around.

We have waited since 1982, I guess another two years isn't enternity!

PittCGS1989

Anybody that resorts to referencing "Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees, and Tom Brady" in making a point about football... albeit college football... has a very limited understanding of the game of football.

Joe D Joe D Joe D
Myers got in!!!
(wish I had your cell #)

Truth is the OL schemes that Graham instituted really stink.

Those out there who know more about OL help me out... but my first impression and last as of today is that the schemes defy conventional, proven techniques.

Thank God, it's over and Pitt only lost by 22 points. Not bad for a team favored by 3 points.

I guess we can now look forward to Spring practice.

Go Pitt!!

Any chance Paul Zeise follows Patterson to Arkansas St?

Good Lord! Let's see if I got this right? Pitt players were fired up and ready to take it to SMU. What an incredible display of confusion; missed sacks; missed tackles; abysmal passing; route running; and what is with the left side of the offensive line?

I don't want to dump on Pitt and certainly any of us should recognize what a pitiful situation Graham and a number of his coaches did in dishonorably abandoning their integrity and the team that they supposedly led. No player should have gone through this debacle.

Paul Chryst and his coaches will have a lot of rebuilding, re-recruiting, and teaching to do to clean up this mess. Is he capable of it? Yes he is and so are the coaches he has selected. Now he will need the fans behind him and hopefully support of even casual football fans who recognize a decent guy who does plan and teach well. This will not be a one year turn around but probably a good three years and it offers a lot of opportunity to incoming players.

Last, lay off Steve Pederson who doesn't do the tackling or passing or even the recruiting. The man has Nordenberg's confidence and he has done miracles for Pitt's athletic facilities and salaries to get better coaches. Hating him is just stupid. Too many forget that when DW was let go (Pitt fans were howling for his Dave's scalp and one even boasted about telling Dave's wife in an elevator how lousy a coach her husband was), a SEARCH FIRM was hired and came up with Heywood (and remember Pederson did not control the planned salary) which blew up quickly. The second replacement was Graham who at that time was one of the six hottest coaches on everyone's list across the country along with Holgerson due to the dynamic scoring of their teams. It took a lot of courage for Pederson and Nordenberg to okay a doubling of DW's salary and upping all the assistants salaries plus introduce what they believed would be an exciting football change that would draw more fans, media support, and perhaps get the non-Pitt fans too. Well, that didn't work due to the nature of Graham but that is NOT Pederson's fault. Grow up.

Let's get excited about recruiting, LOI Day and Spring Practice to see how this team changes.

Hey "guest"... let's not start rehashing everything Pederson has done right or wrong.

However, the one thing you're wrong about is that Chryst will do something of a turnaround in one year not two.

That is going to show just how really bad of a job Pederson has done with his coaching hires.

@jack I agree with you and i appreciate the frustration. I just dont think continually typing "Sunseri Sucks" helps. Im with you on the frsutration though. The administration bungled 2.5 years of coaching and recruiting.

@csf I also agrre with your assesment. Most people who complain about Sunseri (who again has performed at a much lower standard than desired) see the EFFECT (I.E. sacks, INT's etc) but are unable to see the CAUSE (I.E. blown blocking assignments. Extra defenders in the secondary due to a lack of running game. dropped passes. Receivers with no breakaway or separation speed) and simply pile on the quaterback. Its a tough situation we as Pitt fans face but we cant overcome it by complaining.

@pittofdreams Be quiet and stay at the kids table. Your quote "Perfect is better and it happens all the time" speaks for itself. You need say no more.

@ joe d ... commie
You must be thrilled with the Myers. I was planning to stop by your pad to watch the game. Sit back at wait for your next welfare check. Get a job bro and lay off Pitt

@PittofDreams

I usually agree with your posts, but if Chryst can turn Pitt around in one year, ie., 2012, he will be the hottest HC in Div I and will have every college in the country wanting him. Hell, if he can turn Pitt around in 2012, Wisconsin my fire Bilema (sp) adn bring Chryst back as HC.

PittCGS1989

You must have been a lot better player than coach.

Last year, Pitt went to the game with the entire coaching staff intact with the exception of Wannstedt. Additionally, the team played as if they had something to prove. This year they looked directionless for most of the season, and today's result showed it was probably the case.

I have no reason to believe that Pitt can't play well with Sunseri in the lineup, provided they are using a system he can master and everybody is on the same page.

written by Bingram, January 07, 2012 - 04:56 PM
have no reason to believe that Pitt can't play well with Sunseri in the lineup, provided they are using a system he can master and everybody is on the same page.

Have you watched Pitt FB games the last two years? Pitt can't play well with Tino Sunseri at QB. He is Division I-AA material. Hopefully today is the last day that Pitt fans will have to watch Tino play QB at Pitt.

Well that about sums up the season. Tino the terrible is true to form. I almost forgot how bad he is. The o-line pretty much got pushed around. Defense could not tackle or cover, but giving some credit to them as it should have been way worse since the offense did pretty much nothing as usual. What did we expect really? This team has been torn up, crapped on, and flushed down the toilet. It is tough to play for coaches who have both feet out the door. Tough to win games with a poor qb and an offensive line that gave up on Tino long ago. They do not even react to Tino getting and taking sacks at all. literally, they just walk away and let their quarterback scrape himself off the ground...that speaks volumes. Hope Chyrst sees that. Do not let Tino see another play or coach will have a mutiny next year.

it is what it is, we move on. Rest up, work hard this off season gentlemen and put this season behind you. Get em next year! Hail to Pitt

pghsportsfan

What I'm predicting is "something" of a turnaround.

In other words a winning, respectable season in which Pitt wins some of the close games that they lost with Graham.

Outside of quarterback, Pitt has good enough players to win with a good coach and a good coaching philosophy that utilizes the talent at hand.

Heck, I wouldn't put it past Chryst to make good use of Sunseri. He's done it with with more than one "serviceable" quarterback at Wisconsin.

Although I would hope he discovers a better option.

Point is, Chryst is potentially a really good head football coach. We already know he has a great football mind.

What I'm betting on is that he is a much better schemer and a much better game day coach than Wannstedt (OK who isn't?) and that will show real soon in terms of getting the most out of the talent already on the team.

Does everyone still buy the B.S, Graham gave us. The same guy who wasted a scholarship on Trey Anderson a scholarship on a minature QB this year who could not start on a decent H.S. team (5'10", 185 lb. weak armed QB). Also that another WPIAL sized QB in the mountains of TN. playing lower level football is going to be a big time D1 QB.

Despite being 1st team QB in a football haven of the state of Ohio playing for one of best academic and prestigous high school teams in Ohio Graham painted him as a malinger and malcontent. Contrary to the fact he waited to his senior year start behind an upper classman won state championships. He did not complain or transfer.

Because he did not play until his senior year he was unknown but starting for St. Ignasois makes you at least a 2 star QB before the season starts. By the end of the year the 6'4" 230 lb, QB took his team to the state finals but lost. By then he was named first team all-ohio and number 11 QB in the nation with schools such as Notre Dame and Wisconsin now interested but he stayed commited to Pitt whose offer he accepted in the mmidle of the year.

Graham said he had an attitude problem was not smart enough to comprehend his system, both contradictions to his high school football and academic career (playnig for one of the best schools academically/ and in football in Ohio [this point can not be argued]).

No one has mentioned his name even though Tiny Anderson (who scholarship will be retracted by the end of the spring) was brought up because for no other reason I can consider than still accepting Graham press conferences and other B.S. This man has no character or integrity and we still drink his swill.

Myers may be the football equivalent of Dante Taylor but no one on the press or any fan knows if that's true. They assumed so because the devil who came down from Texas told us so. I never believed the Texan snake salesman from day one about anything and I hope my intuition concerning Graham-Myers also holds true.

Ray Graham is a special football player who made the whole Pitt offense look better than it really is. He made up for an O-line of questionable ability and definitely covered for the significant deficiencies of the QB (insert any name). With Graham's injury, the extremely poor quarterbacking skills of Sunseri were exposed and, evidently, there isn't a viable alternative currently on the team. Aside not being able to play QB at this level another disturbing factor was his disinterest in trying to display any leadership. At least there were shots of Sunseri talking with the offense between possessions today instead of sulking on the bench like he has been doing throughout the season.

Because Sunseri can't read defenses, is indecisive and takes forever to go through his progressions, the O-line was stretched beyond its limited capabilities. This, of course, led to numerous sacks, fumbles, interceptions, and incomplete passes. Dropped passes and poor route running by the receivers didn't help either. The constant 3 and outs, and turnovers wore out the defense and the end result of the games was pretty much a foregone conclusion.

After watching today's game, it is obvious Pitt has problems and they are many but, in my opinion, their biggest problem is not having anyone on the team remotely approaching a Div I quarterback.

I hope you are successful in your rehab Ray and are ready to go at 100% next season... the team needs you!!!

thank you Paul for your perspective on the coaching situation and on the payers; well written; i enjoyed watching the seniors play and they deserve better; i believe they will be focused to have a wining season next year